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The ptr::Pointee design must incorporate layout info #123353
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on Apr 2, 2024 I don't think I get it. If I have an
&T, which I need to call the new method onPointee, I can easily callLayout::for_valueto get the corresponding layout. No need to involve thePointeetrait I think?Your proposal lacks a motivation statement for what users of the standard library should be able to do that they currently can't do. You are suggesting to re-implement the way
size_ofetc work internally, but users shouldn't have to care about that. That motivation needs to come first, before you give any of the technical details for how to achieve this. (See the usual format of our RFCs -- what you're doing here is basically writing an RFC.)unsafe impl Pointee for CStr {
I think you are incorporating some kind of hypothetical future version of
CStrhere? For the current CStr this makes little sense. You referenced this from #81513 but this part makes it sound like it is unrelated to the metadata APIs for the current types and only relevant for hypothetical future custom DST?Again, all that is something that should be explained in the first paragraph of your proposal. Don't make us guess. :)
Miri can check custom layouts against the struct's backing memory on construct and on every pointer cast to the type, ensuring the referenced memory region is always valid and that the pointer in question is correctly aligned.
I don't know what you mean by that. Please give an example of a bug Miri currently cannot find, but would be able to find with your proposal.
You're essentially co-opting
Pointeeto beDynSized, which, sure, okay, that makes some sense, but you don't need to be able to know the size of something to point at it. You do to directly own it, but opaque/incomplete types that can't be owned/moved due to unknown size are a useful API design tool.If the final field does not implement Aligned but does implement Pointee, the auto-generated implementation returns essentially
static_prefix.extend(final_field.layout()).unwrap().0.This definition has the usual issue for
Mutex<CStr>. How exactly isUnsafeCell<CStr>going to get&Tto callPointee::layout(&T)?It's also impossible to access the field without first knowing its alignment, as that impacts its offset in the structure. Along the same lines,
Arc<T>requires to be able to get size from a pointer to droppedT. It's FCP decided that this is a thing which is possible to do for any dynamically sized type.The operation really just wants to be possible from just
<T as Pointee>::Metadata.The operation really just wants to be possible from just ::Metadata.
Right, what would make a lot of sense is
fn size_of_meta<T: Pointee>(meta: T::Metadata) -> usize
That corresponds pretty well to the underlying primitive in the compiler.
Do we have an issue tracking something like that?
I glossed over a lot here. My apologies.
[...] what you're doing here is basically writing an RFC.
It's kinda like an RFC for an RFC. Because of this, I wasn't sure whether to post this here, in https://internals.rust-lang.org, or as a proper RFC/MCP.
If you know of a better way to raise such a major question around the pointer metadata RFC/feature, please let me know and I'll move this accordingly.
I'll be the first to admit I was somewhat lost on where to post this. And my being lost is admittedly part of how this turned out to be a bit of a stream of consciousness.
I don't think I get it. If I have an
&T, which I need to call the new method onPointee, I can easily callLayout::for_valueto get the corresponding layout. No need to involve thePointeetrait I think?That's true from the average user's perspective. However, there's use in making it pluggable.
Your proposal lacks a motivation statement for what users of the standard library should be able to do that they currently can't do. [...]
I'll defer to rust-lang/rfcs#3536 on rationale for why
size_of_valshould be pluggable.Some degree of alignment pluggability is also needed so FFI types like
CStrcan feasibly switch to raw pointers.I went with a
layoutmethod returning aLayoutbecause it was easy to stub out. You could also just use alignment attributes on opaque types and do the rest statically.I think you are incorporating some kind of hypothetical future version of
CStrhere?Yeah, I should've clarified the hypothetical nature of it. I almost added a note about that dozens of times and simply forgot. All those implementations in that code block are hypothetical.
Miri can check custom layouts against the struct's backing memory on construct and on every pointer cast to the type, ensuring the referenced memory region is always valid and that the pointer in question is correctly aligned.
I don't know what you mean by that. Please give an example of a bug Miri currently cannot find, but would be able to find with your proposal.
The idea is to check that stuff like
Gc<dyn Trait>andGc<WideCStr>align their allocated pointer correctly and expose the right chunk of memory fromDeref.@CAD97 I'll bring those up in rust-lang/rfcs#3536 and try to come to a solution there. This was admittedly very premature, despite me spending most of a day on it.
#81513 introduces a
ptr::Pointeetype. This interface lacks a couple key bits of info, two key bits critical for allocators and stuff likeThinBox.Every pointee in practice has to have some sort of defined layout, and as pointers exist in a finite space, layout is also guaranteed to be finite. rust-lang/rfcs#3536 offers a partial solution for sizes, but doesn't address the two cases where alignment isn't statically known: the dynamic alignment of
dyn Traitand the undefined alignment of opaque types.So,
ptr::Pointeeneeds to expose a way to get this information, as it was initially intended to. There's a few constraints:The simplest way I can think of is unfortunately still somewhat involved, and I'm not sure I can reduce it any further:
Add a required
fn layout(&self) -> alloc::Layoutmethod toptr::Pointee.Add a
marker::Alignedtrait similar tomarker::Sized, representing that the type has a statically defined alignment. Almost everything auto-implements this, butdyn Traitand opaque types will not.Sizedwill be modified to subtype this. The only way to declare an unknown alignment is to use anexterntype, a type of DST, and so it's not possible to both make the size statically determinable and leave the alignment unknown.Like its counterpart
Sized,Alignedmust be implemented to read something by value, and generic parameters implicitly add anAlignedconstraint unless you explicitly add?Aligned. Unlike it,Alignedmay be manually implemented forexterntypes via a#[repr(align(N))]attribute.Make
Pointeeanunsafetrait. The lack of safety is because it's defining the memory safety boundaries.The
layoutmethod is safe to call, but the method itself must ensure that:T.&selfpointer.Auto-implement
Pointeefor every type that either implementsAlignedor has a final field that implementsPointee.If the final field does not implement
Alignedbut does implementPointee, the auto-generated implementation returns essentiallystatic_prefix.extend(final_field.layout()).unwrap().0.Generics will assume
Pointeeto be implemented by default. It'll be likeSizedrather thanUnpinin that regard.Here's how it'd look for the bulk of this at the type level:
There's a couple other benefits this provides:
size_of_valandalign_of_val. Their implementations are of course in the above code block.layouts against the struct's backing memory on construct and on every pointer cast to the type, ensuring the referenced memory region is always valid and that the pointer in question is correctly aligned.